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	<title>Comments on: Some changes concerning DSA</title>
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		<title>By: Buxy</title>
		<link>http://raphaelhertzog.com/2007/07/26/some-changes-concerning-dsa/#comment-807</link>
		<dc:creator>Buxy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 12:26:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The address is deprecated, it&#039;s not yet &quot;void&quot;. When it will be &quot;void&quot;, I expect to have proper bounces with a pointer where needed (and much more advertisement than a blog entry).

When you open a RT ticket, you get an auto-response. It&#039;s precisely because of that that we can&#039;t accept spam on this address. The auto-response let you know that your request has been recorded, and there&#039;s always the web interface to check if your request is there.

Concerning Joey, he&#039;s the oldest DSA member of the team and while there&#039;s no clear leader of the team, he can&#039;t be fired except maybe by the DPL. I haven&#039;t asked Joey why he behaves so, but I expect it&#039;s out of frustration. He&#039;s known to have had troubles with the ftpmasters and his teammates elmo/neuro are the ftpmasters. Joey avoids the discussion and it&#039;s very difficult to have his opinion on this subject.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The address is deprecated, it&#8217;s not yet &#8220;void&#8221;. When it will be &#8220;void&#8221;, I expect to have proper bounces with a pointer where needed (and much more advertisement than a blog entry).</p>
<p>When you open a RT ticket, you get an auto-response. It&#8217;s precisely because of that that we can&#8217;t accept spam on this address. The auto-response let you know that your request has been recorded, and there&#8217;s always the web interface to check if your request is there.</p>
<p>Concerning Joey, he&#8217;s the oldest DSA member of the team and while there&#8217;s no clear leader of the team, he can&#8217;t be fired except maybe by the DPL. I haven&#8217;t asked Joey why he behaves so, but I expect it&#8217;s out of frustration. He&#8217;s known to have had troubles with the ftpmasters and his teammates elmo/neuro are the ftpmasters. Joey avoids the discussion and it&#8217;s very difficult to have his opinion on this subject.</p>
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		<title>By: madduck</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jul 2007 10:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Raphaël (and Sam), for your continuous efforts to improve the DSA situation.

Unfortunately, your announcement shocked me a bit. First, considering how many pieces of documentation reference debian-admin@lists.debian.org, I consider it unacceptable to simply void that address.

Furthermore, expecting the sender to include &quot;Debian RT&quot; in the subject is not spam protection but a major nuisance. Since I expect mails without the text in the subject to be silently discarded (which is the only sensible thing to do in today&#039;s world), the effect of forgetting to add that subject at any point in time will have exactly the same effect as mailing DSA today: you&#039;ll never know if or when your mail will be read. Claiming that you&#039;ll notice when you don&#039;t get an RT ticket confirmation is unrealistic in my eyes.

Spam is a problem we all have to deal with, but there are very good ways of doing so today. Expecting the sender to keep your mailbox clean is &lt;em&gt;not&lt;/em&gt; a solution.

And if Joey is being so unccoperative, why is he still a DSA? Or have people actually tried to find out why he is not using RT or reading the lists?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Raphaël (and Sam), for your continuous efforts to improve the DSA situation.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, your announcement shocked me a bit. First, considering how many pieces of documentation reference <a href="mailto:debian-admin@lists.debian.org">debian-admin@lists.debian.org</a>, I consider it unacceptable to simply void that address.</p>
<p>Furthermore, expecting the sender to include &#8220;Debian RT&#8221; in the subject is not spam protection but a major nuisance. Since I expect mails without the text in the subject to be silently discarded (which is the only sensible thing to do in today&#8217;s world), the effect of forgetting to add that subject at any point in time will have exactly the same effect as mailing DSA today: you&#8217;ll never know if or when your mail will be read. Claiming that you&#8217;ll notice when you don&#8217;t get an RT ticket confirmation is unrealistic in my eyes.</p>
<p>Spam is a problem we all have to deal with, but there are very good ways of doing so today. Expecting the sender to keep your mailbox clean is <em>not</em> a solution.</p>
<p>And if Joey is being so unccoperative, why is he still a DSA? Or have people actually tried to find out why he is not using RT or reading the lists?</p>
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