If you met Ana, you’ll easily remember her. She has a great and pronounced Spanish accent… 🙂 I’m glad that the existence of the Debian Women project helped her to join Debian because she has been doing a great job.
From KDE packaging to publicity/marketing work, her interests shifted over the years but this allowed her to stay very involved. As she explains it very well, Debian is big enough so that you can stop doing something which is no longer fun for you, and still find something new to do in another part of Debian!
Read on to learn more about Ana, the KDE team, Debian’s participation to the Google Summer of Code, and more.
Raphael: Who are you?
Ana: I’m Ana Guerrero López and I’m in my early 30s. I was born and raised in the wonderful city of Sevilla, Spain and I live in Lyon, France. I share my life with another Debian Developer and my paid work is doing Debian support and integration, so you won’t be surprised to read that Debian is a big part of my life.
Raphael: How did you start contributing to Debian?
Ana: Although I knew about the existence of Linux since 1997 or so, I didn’t really start using Linux until the summer 2001 when I finally got a computer on my own and an Internet link at home. In the beginning, I was using Mandrake in a dual boot with Windows and later around 2003, I happily moved to only using Debian and ditching the Windows partition. Once settled as a Debian user, I knew anybody could help improve the distribution but I hesitated to join mostly due to two reasons, my perception of Debian was the one of a very elitist and aggressive club and who wants to join this kind of cult^wproject? And even if I wanted to join, I did not know how to get started.
By the summer of 2004, the Debian Women project started, it made me seeing Debian as a more welcoming project, and I started maintaining my first packages. The following summer 2005, I attended akademy 2005 (the annual KDE conference) where I had the pleasure to meet there some of the people from the KDE team and this really made a difference for me. Christopher Martin and Adeodato Simó, with the help of other people, have started the maintenance of KDE as a team a few months before and by that time most of the KDE modules where under the maintenance umbrella of the team. This was a very good move since it allowed easily to share the KDE maintenance in a more coordinated way and also eased having non-DDs, like me at that time, to join in and help.
The Debian Women project started, it made me seeing Debian as a more welcoming project.
Raphael: You’re part of the Debian KDE team. What’s your role in the team and what are your plans for Wheezy?
Ana: Nowadays, I am not as active in the KDE team as I used to be in the past. The KDE 3 to KDE 4 transition was quite tiring and changes on the KDE side like the successive marketing renames, the shorter 6 months schedule (it used to be at least 9) or the uncoordinated KDE releases mostly burnt me out. Currently, I am mostly working in helping others to get started within the team, some small fixes here and there, and helping with the uploads: an upload of the full KDE suite to the archive requires some building power and upload bandwidth not everybody have.
For Wheezy, with the tentative freeze date in June, the plan is to try to ship the latest possible point release of the KDE 4.8 series. The first release of the series, 4.8.0 was released a couple of weeks ago and while writing these lines, the packaging work for 4.8 hasn’t started yet. The next move for the team is getting 4.7.4 in unstable, currently sitting in experimental.
For Wheezy, […] the plan is to try to ship the latest possible point release of the KDE 4.8 series.
Besides the KDE packages, there is some software which users perceive as KDE, such as amarok, digikam, etc., which are not part of KDE but fall under its umbrella. These other programs have their own maintainers and their updates depend greatly in the availability of them. For the KDE office suite, we have right now KOffice in the archive. KOffice got a fork some time ago named Calligra and we should replace KOffice by Calligra in the archive before the release of Wheezy. Sadly there isn’t yet a final release of Calligra to use.
My personal goal for Wheezy was to finish the removal of all the remaining packages depending on KDE 3 and Qt 3 that Squeeze still contained. The removal of the KDE 3 libraries and all the packages using them was quickly achieved after the release of Squeeze. The removal of Qt 3 soon showed that it was task harder than expected since some popular packages (sometimes not in the Debian archive, e.g. third-party scientific software) depend on it, and also Qt 3 is a requirement for LSB compatibility. Right now, Qt 3 has been orphaned for 9 months and nobody has shown any interest in adopting it.
Raphael: KDE, much like GNOME, has been forked by people who were unhappy by the direction that the project has taken since version 4 (cf Trinity). What’s your personal opinion on KDE 4.x and what’s the position of the Debian KDE team concerning this fork?
Ana: I use KDE 4 on my laptop and I think it is a solid desktop environment and platform. However I am finding it less and less attractive for me. On one side, my usage of the computer has been slightly changing and on the other side, I do not like how the new developments in KDE are evolving, things like plasmoids or activities are not attractive for me. I have switched my other 2 systems to awesome although I continue to use mainly a bunch of KDE applications: dolphin, konsole, kate, juk, kmix, etc. So you might say my desktop environment is an awesome KDE.
Regarding the Trinity project, a lot of users complained very loudly when KDE 3 got replaced by KDE 4 in testing/unstable, so I find quite laudable the decision of some users to act instead and try to continue with a forked development of KDE 3. However the Trinity team seems to be about 3 persons (funny for a project named Trinity :)) while KDE 3 is big. In perspective, it does not look that big because KDE 4 is even larger, but it is still too much for such small team. In addition those developers need to maintain Qt3 that has been end-of-lifed years ago by Nokia/Trolltech¹. So my guess is that sooner or later the project will fade away.
Nobody from the KDE team is interested in Trinity and in case someone wants to package it for Debian, they would have to make a new team. For the reasons mentioned above: Qt3 maintenance and reduced upstream group, this would be a bad idea.
My advice if you do not like KDE 4 and you miss KDE 3, would be taking a look at razor-qt based on Qt4 and quite similar to KDE 3.
¹ I read they have plans to port it to Qt4, but frankly that could take some years… same it took to the KDE project for KDE 4.0.0 😉
Raphael: You used to maintain news.debian.net, a WordPress blog dedicated to Debian, but you stopped a while ago. A few months later you started to maintain a Debian page on Google+. Why did you stop the blog and what’s your goal with the Google+ page?
Ana: I blogged about the reasons I started news.debian.net. In short, I thought Debian needed a better system to publish news, something like a blog. I first tried to suggest the idea to the press/publicity team but they weren’t interested, so I started the project alone. IMHO the blog worked quite well and I was feeling like it should be made official. I talked about this with some people but at the time I wasn’t pushing it because I had other priorities and I knew pushing it to become official would need some extra time and energy.
Stefano decided to start the discussion about making news.debian.net official (that’s moving it to a debian.org domain) in its own initiative. After the public discussion and some private exchange of emails with DSA, the situation became frustrating and I decided to close news.debian.net after the release of Squeeze.
Later, during DebConf, an officer from the press team announced they were launching a blog and I asked Stefano if he could try to have a discussion about this to see if it could still somehow fit my ideas, and maybe contributing myself, but nobody from the press team answered Stefano’s email and the blog hasn’t started yet either.
Irony that communication didn’t work when wanting to improve communication.
About the Google+ page, everyday I follow what is going in Debian and quite often I find things I want to share. I do not want to clutter my own profiles with Debian stuff or have people following me because of that, so I decided to create the Debian page when Google+ made them available. I like the fact that people can follow that without having an account in Google+ although they can not comment anonymously. I am not happy about the fact that Google+ is a closed platform but hopefully the data will become easier to export in the near future. Right now, there are some services that provides RSS feeds of Google+ pages if you want to follow the page and you are not in Google+ (or I could setup one if several people ask me).
Raphael: Last year you helped to manage Debian’s participation to the Google Summer of Code. How did it went? Is there something that you can improve for this year?
Ana: I think last year we managed to have people in Debian more aware about what the students were doing. That also helped students to get more feedback and therefore get to know more people in the project and get more integrated. Students were sending periodic public reports available to everybody interested in the status of the projects and some of them also held their own sessions in DebConf.
We still failed to start looking for mentors early enough and to give them information about how the GSoC worked and how they could have a successful project. Having good projects in Debian is harder than in other projects because the GSoC mostly promotes having students started in Open Source *coding* for a project, while Debian is more a project about integrating software and we overall do not have so many parts that has to be coded.
My personal goal for this year is to try getting the projects earlier to attract good students from the very beginning, even if that means we have less projects than in other years.
Raphael: What motivates you to continue to contribute year after year?
Ana: Three things. I like improving the OS I use, I like the friends I have made while working in Debian through the years and because I have fun.
Also Debian is quite a big project, so if you become tired or burn out working in some area, you always can easily find interesting things to do somewhere else.
Raphael: Is there someone in Debian that you admire for their contributions?
Ana: Adeodato Simó, he is now in a long leave from the project, but it is one of those persons who made a difference in the project in his job in the release team some years ago. Aurélien Jarno because of his tireless work in (e)glibc and porting of several architectures.
I also have special admiration for all those people who have been very active in the project for more than 7-8 years because I know it is not always easy to combine it with real life.
Thank you to Ana for the time spent answering my questions. I hope you enjoyed reading her answers as I did. Note that older interviews are indexed on wiki.debian.org/PeopleBehindDebian.
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Lisandro Damián Nicanor Pérez Meyer says
Kiki Novak says
Thanks for the nice interview. I’m an austrian IT consultant living in a small village in South France, and 100% GNU/Linux since Slackware 7.1 and Debian Potato. Over the years, I’ve tried out and worked with many different distributions. My company is specialized in free software solutions for professional users like small town halls and public libraries, schools, small companies and the likes, hence all my systems need to be highly reliable. I’ve been using CentOS for a few years, and after a brief stint with Ubuntu, I’ve recently switched all my company’s offers and infrastructure to Debian, on both servers and desktops. I’m currently writing these lines on a Debian Squeeze desktop with KDE. Some say it’s an “old” version, but it’s by far the cleanest and most bug-free version I have yet encountered. I enjoy working with it.
Cheers from the freezing South of France.
Dear Ana, i still LOVE Debian, i still look at debian planet blogs (and your blog too, even if it’s empty, at least empty of kde’s news), but i moved to arch linux. I Love debian packages, i repute the superior than arch packages (or than ANY other distro i’ve tried during almost 8 years of desktop use).
KDE is too buggy or lost too many key features during 4.0 transition, that’s why every release brings little improvements every user wants to try as soon as possible. I used to use unstable since 2006-2007 and its policy about kde release in unstable is really silly (look at the bug report in this article!). I think you can do something for kde’s debian users: improve the chain of transitions and repositories! Your devs are just perfect, packages are excellent, help via mailing list, forums, blogs, is quite perfect, you just need to speed up releases! You will have more users -> some of them might be interested in contribute -> bigger team -> less work 4 everyone.
Thank you for your mighty work, i’ll wait the right moment to switch back to debian…
Guillermo Garron says
Good Interview, thanks Raphael.
Now I’m using Arch Linux, but always reading your blog, I specially enjoy this section.
And Ana, please keep the good job.
“For Wheezy, […] the plan is to try to ship the latest possible point release of the KDE 4.8 series.”
“The first release of the series, 4.8.0 was released a couple of weeks ago and while writing these lines, the packaging work for 4.8 hasn’t started yet.”
Lies. We don’t have any plan for Wheezy (yet). Also the work on KDE 4.8 already started as anyone who clones our git repositories or who follows the pkg-kde-commits mailing list can see.
↑ These are actual plans. But given that the ack from the release team is taking so long we may or may not change that plans.
Kiki Novak says
Maybe a sentence in the line of “This information is not correct” would be more appropriate than a monosyllabic “Lies”?
Raphaël Hertzog says
And I believe that having 4.8 in Wheezy is a goal at least. Even if it’s not yet on the short term plan… so I wouldn’t call her answer “lies” either.
Then, please point me to where that “goal” is defined. I’ll save you some time: we didn’t discussed in the team which version should we ship with Wheezy.
It would be “funny” if after being involved heavily in the Debian Qt/KDE (a lot more that Ana since Squeeze, by the way) I had to realize that we – allegedly – are going to ship Wheezy with 4.8 just after reading the planet.
Also note that KDE SC 4.8 includes kdepim2 and we still *don’t* *know* what to do with it.
And I guess that we agree, at least, that the “the packaging work for 4.8 hasn’t started yet” part is just a lie.
That Santa fellow sounds like a d*ck and like someone who just wants attention.
Anyhow, back to the topic. Ana and Raphael, thank you for the wonderful interview. The greater community appreciates your work.
And you sound like a troll and like someone who just should check better who is doing what before insulting people.