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Debian membership reform

October 27, 2008 by Raphaël Hertzog

Following Ganneff’s post to debian-devel-announce, several discussions have again started on the topic of Debian’s membership and several proposals have been made. Unfortunately none of these proposals try to resolve the underlying trust problem that has been growing over the years. Despite the NM process (or maybe due to it), we managed to give DD status to people who are motivated but whose technical skills are doubtful (at that point people ask for an example, and as much as I hate fingerpointing, here’s an example with #499201. The same maintainer created troubles with libpng during the etch release cycle and tried to take over a base package like mawk recently).

With our current model, all DD can sponsor, NMU, introduce/adopt/hijack packages without review. This is fine as long as we trust the body of DD to contain only skilled and reasonable people. I believe that premise to be somewhat broken since Debian has become too big for people to know everybody and since the NM process had no way to grant partial rights to volunteers who were motivated but that clearly had not shown their ability to handle more complex stuff than what they had packaged during their NM period (like some trivial perl modules for example).

Thus I strongly believe that any membership reform must provide a convincing answer to that trust problem before being implemented. I took several hours to draft a proposal last Friday and I’ve been somewhat disappointed that nobody commented on it. I hope to draw some attention on it with this blog post.

The proposal builds on the idea that we should not have “classes” of contributors but simply two: a short-term contributor and a long-term contributor (those are called Debian Developers and have the right to vote). But all contributors can be granted “privileges” as they need them for their work and each privilege requires the contributor to fulfill some conditions. The set of privileges and the conditions associated all need discussions (but I have personal opinions here, see below). There’s however one privilege that is somewhat particular: it’s the right to grant privileges to other contributors. Handling it as a privilege like another is on purpose: it makes it clear that anyone can try to get that privilege and the procedure is clear. In practice, imagine that set of people as a big team encompassing the responsibilities split over DAM/AM/FD/DM-team and where all members can do all the steps required to grant/retire a privilege provided that 2 or 3 members agrees and that nobody opposes (in case of opposition a specific procedure is probably needed). I called that set of people the Debian Community Managers. It should contain only skilled and dedicated developers.

One of their main duties would be to retain the trust that the project as a whole must have in all its members. They would have the powers to retire privileges if they discover someone that has not acted according to the (high) expectations of the project.

Among the privileges would be “limited upload rights” (like DM have currently), “full upload rights” (like DD have currently although it might be that we want to split that privilege further in right to sponsor, right to package new software, right to maintain a package of priority > standard, etc.) and “developer status” (email + right to vote, once you can prove 6 months of contribution).

There’s lots of stuff to discuss in such a proposal (like how to decide who gets what privileges among existing DD) but I think it’s a good basis and need some serious consideration by all the project members. The NM process is there only so that we can collectively trust that new members are as good as we expect them to be and trust can only be built over time so it’s good that we can grant privileges progressively.

Some people believe that I’m reinventing a new NM process that will end up to be very similar to the current one. My answer is that the conditions associated to each privilege should be based on the work done by the contributor and the advocations that he managed to collect. It should not be a questionnaire like “Task and Skills”. This, together with the distribution of the power/work on many people, would render this system very different from today’s NM process.

Some people believe that I’m copying Ubuntu when designing this since it’s somewhat similar to the process to become MOTU and/or get upload right to Ubuntu’s main component. Let me say that I’m not copying deliberately at least, I simply took the problem from the most important side. But remember that many aspects of Ubuntu have been designed by Debian developers that tried to avoid known pitfalls of Debian, and maybe they got some things right (or better at least) while doing this.

Git, CIA and branch merging

July 7, 2008 by Raphaël Hertzog

Dear Joey, we also had this problem for dpkg, that’s why I hacked the /usr/local/bin/git-commit-notice script that we’re using on Alioth to do something like this instead:

while read oldrev newrev refname; do
    branchname=${refname#refs/heads/}
    [ "$branchname" = "master" ] && branchname=""
    for merged in $(git rev-parse --not --branches | grep -v $(git rev-parse $refname) | git rev-list --reverse --stdin $oldrev..$newrev); do
         /usr/local/bin/git-ciabot.pl $merged $branchname
    done
done

while read oldrev newrev refname; do branchname=${refname#refs/heads/} [ "$branchname" = "master" ] && branchname="" for merged in $(git rev-parse --not --branches | grep -v $(git rev-parse $refname) | git rev-list --reverse --stdin $oldrev..$newrev); do /usr/local/bin/git-ciabot.pl $merged $branchname done done

It will stop git rev-list each time that it encounters a commit that is available in any of the other branches present in the repository and thus when you merge a branch, you only see the merge commit in CIA.

You should also note that the script is smarter as it calls CIA only for branch updates, not for tag creation (and other kinds of updates) where it only leads to strange errors IIRC.

DPL election: low participation

April 10, 2008 by Raphaël Hertzog

This year I have not given any vote recommendation because all candidates would be (IMO) good DPL. The participation stats are a bit strange however: when I got the second call for vote I noticed 176 votes in the first week compared to 135 last year. So I thought “good, participation is on the rise”. But then I got reminded that we have shortened the voting period of the DPL election to two weeks. So the comparison doesn’t hold.

The vote close in two days and we have so far only 283 votes, and last year we got 482 in the end. So we’re likely to have much less participation this year… even if you add a percentage for the people who wish to vote but cannot for various reasons (which proves once more how important it is that the next DPL be determined to fix those recurring problems), you won’t get the same numbers.

So my question is: do we have lower participation because all candidates are good and people do not care who gets elected? or do we have so many DD that follow Debian only every 2.5 weeks?

And if you haven’t voted yet, it’s time to do it. 🙂

New source package formats: call for tests

March 16, 2008 by Raphaël Hertzog

During the last weeks I’ve been busy working on adding support of new source package formats to dpkg-source (the wig&pen format, a wig&pen variant based on quilt, Joey’s git based format integrated by djpig, …). I just reached the state where I believe the code is mostly ready to be merged in the master branch. Thus I would like some external testing and feedback.

Grab and install the package here and try building packages with dpkg-source "--format=3.0 (quilt)" -b mypackage (or any other new format). You can find more infos in the call for test on debian-dpkg (here and here). If you find regressions, please report them.

If you want to grab the latest sources, use git clone git://git.debian.org/git/dpkg/dpkg.git dpkg; cd dpkg; git checkout -b sourcev3 origin/sourcev3.

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